strip out food and energy up 0.2. empire manufacturing down 5.22, that comes after an unrevised minus 6.16, but not as bad as minus 8 to 9 that we were looking for. jobless claims, oh my goodness can this be right? there may be some distortions, it walloped up to 439,000 from 361,000, so i am sure there's a story behind that, and continuing claims not to be outdone, had a market jumped, originally released and revised up to 3.16 and now they stand at 3.334 million. so these numbers obviously affected by something whether it's storms or whether it's other issues, we'll of course look towards some of the guidance that we get. if we look towards the market the guidance is the equities look like they'll come in lower for another day. we see interest rates, well, they're a smidge higher than the sub 60 level from yesterday and maybe the biggest story of the day today is recession in europe again? i don't know why that's a big story. the bigger story would be if there wasn't one. >> that is a great oint. we haven't talked a